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[Cards GM (King Miedus)]

St Louis trades

Kyle McClellan, SP - STL '12: $0.75M (PP3)
Bryan Anderson, C - STL - minor
Drew Hutchison, SP - TOR - minor

for

Rafael Soriano, RP - NYY - '12: $7M, '13: $6M
Trevor May, SP - PHI - minor

[tomh23]

deal

[Rays GM (Dennis)]

This deal is dead for now.

too lopsided. Soriano is a set up man and probably next in line to close for the Yankees.

Kyle McClellan is pitching in long relief which limits his fantasy stats.

May is rated in the top 100 ... MLB and Scouting Book... anywhere from 50's to 70's...

The other 2 prospects... are not in the top 100....

The deal will have to be re-worked... if you want to get it through.

[Cards GM (King Miedus)]

Should really read up more on some prospects Dennis. Granted we can all agree Anderson likely isn't much, although he is close to MLB ready (albeit behind Molina), but you really shouldn't brush Hutchison off - he is rising fast and is top 100 on some lists (and 7th in Jays system on mlb.com's list, of which the top 4 are in their top 100), and I see Soriano as a negative in this deal due to his salary (meaning I'd see it as more lopsided in my favour if he wasn't in the deal).

Any event, just wanted you to know how I felt in case you left the chat box because you were sick of my typing

Deal won't be reworked either, so no need to worry about that.

[Rays GM (Dennis)]

Feb 22, 2012 22:48:50 GMT -4 Cards GM (King Miedus) said:

Should really read up more on some prospects Dennis. Granted we can all agree Anderson likely isn't much, although he is close to MLB ready (albeit behind Molina), but you really shouldn't brush Hutchison off - he is rising fast and is top 100 on some lists (and 7th in Jays system on mlb.com's list, of which the top 4 are in their top 100), and I see Soriano as a negative in this deal due to his salary (meaning I'd see it as more lopsided in my favour if he wasn't in the deal).

Any event, just wanted you to know how I felt in case you left the chat box because you were sick of my typing

Deal won't be reworked either, so no need to worry about that.

The 2 sites you sent me were blogs... 1 is from 2 guys who have been playing fantasy baseball for years... the other clearly says "blog"....

The ones I offered were MLB and Scouting Report.

Trying to insult me is not going to work.. The deal is dead and you can re-work it if you want... if not then so be it.

We try to be fair with everyone here and if we see something we think is off or others PM us about deals we will make decisions.

[Cards GM (King Miedus)]

I also quoted you the information that was given on him in the MLB.com one, so its not like I only gave you the others (which just happened to be the first couple that came up with him in the top 100). And I'd still take that "blog" (which just happens to rank the top 2000, not just 100) over your opinion any day of the week.

In fact I'd take all of them, I'm all about gathering as much info as I can and using it as a whole, not just relying on one source. Giving reference to 2 sites, including one that does have him ranked highly in his system, and saying he is junk, isn't being fair. How do you know he wouldn't be in the top 150 if they went that high? Is #150 really that low compared to a guy who is 60 or 70?

Actually he is ranked on others that may be of more repute for you:
www.scoutingbook.com/players/p2910

That shows where he is ranked on various sites - #144 on scouting book, #79 on scout.com, and yes unranked on those other sites that go up to 100 only.
Thing is, value is all debatable, and the fact that it is debatable that he is top 100 quality, still means he is quality. There is talk of him reaching the majors this year even.

Still fine with your decision, but when you insult me, by saying I included 2 nothing prospects, I have an issue. I took insult as you made it seem like I was just trying to steal a player for nothing, when in fact you didn't know anything about the one prospect as he wasn't on the 2 top 100 lists you decided to look at, although he did have a glowing description on MLB.com if you had decided to look any deeper at all.

In short, try not to throw out decisions and say things on players before you properly analyze them.

Thanks.

[Rays GM (Dennis)]

Feb 22, 2012 23:26:11 GMT -4 Cards GM (King Miedus) said:

I also quoted you the information that was given on him in the MLB.com one, so its not like I only gave you the others (which just happened to be the first couple that came up with him in the top 100). And I'd still take that "blog" (which just happens to rank the top 2000, not just 100) over your opinion any day of the week.

In fact I'd take all of them, I'm all about gathering as much info as I can and using it as a whole, not just relying on one source. Giving reference to 2 sites, including one that does have him ranked highly in his system, and saying he is junk, isn't being fair. How do you know he wouldn't be in the top 150 if they went that high? Is #150 really that low compared to a guy who is 60 or 70?

Actually he is ranked on others that may be of more repute for you:
www.scoutingbook.com/players/p2910

That shows where he is ranked on various sites - #144 on scouting book, #79 on scout.com, and yes unranked on those other sites that go up to 100 only.
Thing is, value is all debatable, and the fact that it is debatable that he is top 100 quality, still means he is quality. There is talk of him reaching the majors this year even.

Still fine with your decision, but when you insult me, by saying I included 2 nothing prospects, I have an issue. I took insult as you made it seem like I was just trying to steal a player for nothing, when in fact you didn't know anything about the one prospect as he wasn't on the 2 top 100 lists you decided to look at, although he did have a glowing description on MLB.com if you had decided to look any deeper at all.

In short, try not to throw out decisions and say things on players before you properly analyze them.

Thanks.

I didn't say nothing prospects... or that he is junk... I said a top prospect over 2 average prospects.... no matter what is said I am not going to let this deal slide through. This is still a lopsided deal and I think you know it. You have to be able to live with decisions made in the league... just because you think a deal is fair doesn't make it so. If I see another deal like that in the future it was get the same treatment.

We all have had deals rejected in fantasy sports leagues... nobody likes it but it happens sometimes... most owners just pick themselves up and try again.... you have that option or the option of just walking away from it...

I don't care either way. If I see a deal that looks fair then I am more than happy to let it go through...

[Cards GM (King Miedus)]

Again, I'm fine with the decision. I don't care that it didn't go through, and my posts haven't been about trying to get it through. It is more about what was said by you and Richie in the chat box about the deal. Richie explicitly said that I took May for nothing, which just isn't true when you actually look into Hutchison.

And how is Hutchison an average prospect if he isn't ranked all that much lower than May? If top 70 is a "top" prospect, you're saying the next 30-80 guys are only average? There are a crazy amount of prospects, one ranked in the top 150 isn't average, especially if he has a chance to jump from AA to the majors this year.

[Cards GM (King Miedus)]

And I looked at the chatbox and you did in fact call them both average prospects, so it was more Richie's words that put me over the edge, I think along with the whole "The other 2 prospects" followed by the dot dot dot, "are not in the top 100", made it seem like you were insinuating that they were crap, if you took that message along with what Richie had just said prior to that in the chat box.

No.. I don't think they are crap... but I see the stats on May in the minors.... what really stands out is the walk to K ratio.. one of the bests I have seen. If he can take that into AA and beyond at the same rate or near that he will be a monster. Tells me his control is great and he is dominating hitters.

We both feel that he has more upside.. that is all...

From King - take a look at Hutchison's stats if thats what you're gonna bring up, way better walk to K ratio than May, and he already pitched a few innings in AA. Yes May is the more celebrated prospect, likely because Hutchison wasn't drafted until the 15th round, but Hutch has remarkable control, and as I said earlier, the Jays GM thinks he could potentially be up in the MLB this year.

[Astros GM: Trey]

i agree with you king on one thing.. i think there is too much value put into these lists.. tons on them wont reach their potential and tons off them will be very good. no comment on the trade but everyone not slated to make an mlb roster this year is a lottery ticket, a gamble. the higher on those lists the better the bet but being # 30 vs. 150 doesnt mean the lower is or will be better. some of the top 100 are sure things while others are just potential with a bunch of hype.